Jumping marbles!!!
Retrod1 posted this updated video of the jumping marble which clearly shows there is some pneumatic pressure being created. Moving forward we can probably expect to see a piston being charged outside of the engine.
Retrod1 posted this updated video of the jumping marble which clearly shows there is some pneumatic pressure being created. Moving forward we can probably expect to see a piston being charged outside of the engine.
Originally Posted by smw1998a at the energetic forum
Hello All,I have been thinking hard on this one Further study of scope traces have provided me with a better insight into what the effect actually is. I was wrong about the reduced resistance, it’s actually far more simple than that.
My scope shows that my secondary coil rises to spark 20uS after the SCR conducts. During this time my capacitor drops from 200v to 180v. Before the voltage on the secondary winding gets high enough to arc across the gap there is only one path for the energy stored on the capacitor to get to ground, through the primary winding.
The addition of the diode in the circuit does a very simple thing. Once the arc has formed, the energy stored in the capacitor has a new path to ground via the HV diode and the arc. There is so little resistance in this new circuit path that it is as good as a dead short across the capacitor terminals. CRACK A disruptive capacitor discharge straight to ground.
The poor ignition coil has had 20v (200v to 180v) dropped across the primary winding in barely 20uS. There is just enough voltage on the secondary to arc across the gap and CRACK… No more energy in the capacitor to deliver to the primary winding and drive the voltage up in the secondary to maintain the arc. The ignition coil has had the rug well and truly pulled from under its feet. Being a coil with a sudden loss of current, the magnetic field collapses. There was so little energy stored in the magnetic field of the coil at the time the capacitor shorted its energy across the gap that the BEMF is insignificant.
There are a few significant points here. The diode/s are important because they have to hold back a reverse voltage as the secondary rises into the KV range before there is enough voltage to create the arc. Once the arc appears it is like shorting a 200v capacitor out with a diode, anode to positive cathode the negative. Increasing the voltage on the capacitor to over 300volts, assuming the cap can handle it, will not stress the ignition coil with the HV diodes in place. It may, however, increase plug ware no end.
With increased voltage on the capacitor you will have a very violent discharge across the arc. Due to the fact that the capacitor shorts across the arc as soon as it is formed the duration of the spark event is very short, much shorter than a standard HT spark.
I have wondered where all the apparent energy came from. When I drove the ignition coil inductively via a 555 timer and transistors, that circuit used almost 4 Amps and everything got hot. My batteries got battered by that circuit and I was plagued with transistor failures.
My current circuit does what it does on 1 amp@ 12v. I have managed to squeeze a frequency of 48Hz out of my charge pump, charging the cap to 200v. Although the charge pump transistor does get warm, nothing else does and other than initial 7555 failures, I have not lost a component on this circuit after many hours of testing.
All The best Lee…
Revizal is from Indonesia and he has successfully converted his motorcycle to use the water plasma spark circuit. So far he is only using gasoline but he is aiming for water so hopefully it is only a matter of time…
smw1998a has made a very thorough video with a detailed analysis of the cause of the effect observed in the water plasma spark circuit.
Aaron has been making good progress and appears to have confirmed that the event is a plasma discharged which is increased by adding water to the mix. Some people feel it is more of a magnetic and electric event than actually exploding HHO while others think it definitely has a hydrogen combustion element to the event due the the luminousity of the light that is emitted.
Here’s some more interesting analysis from smw1998a…
Looking deeper, with the scope, I set about measuring the discharge time of the capacitor. Without the HV diode, observing the standard high tension spark, the duration of the discharge from 250v was 140uS (micro seconds). This is pretty quick considering the secondary winding of the ignition coil has around 7 to 8k ohm of resistance.
The reason for the “effect” became obvious when I connected the HV diode and ran the test again. The scope showed the capacitor discharge from 250v took only 8uS resulting in the enhanced spark. As the voltage output of a transformer is proportional to the rate of change, clearly, the significantly shorter discharge is producing more voltage in a shorter time, resulting in the amplification of the spark discharge for the same energy input.
My conclusion at this time is; At the moment of switch closure, the HV diode conducts and allows the secondary winding to potentialise and the magnetic domains in the coil core to begin to orientate themselves, thus reducing the resistance presented in the secondary winding and magnetically in the coil core at the very beginning of induction. As the capacitor discharges through the primary winding, the induced voltage in the secondary increases rapidly. Once the voltage of the secondary winding exceeds the voltage held in the capacitor the diode becomes reverse biased and blocks the rapidly rising voltage. As most of the resistance, both electrical and magnetic have been significantly reduced very early in the coil discharge, the remaining energy discharges very rapidly creating the “effect”.
IMO The effect is a unidirectional, short duration, high voltage pulse. The exact criteria for Peter’s “Electro Radiant Event”.
It seems that there are a lot of people who are prepared to instantly dismiss this circuit and the results as junk science or childish experiments. This appears to be firmly rooted in the resistance to the fanaticism and wackiness that is often shown by people who have pursued water technology as a fuel. That’s part of the reason for this blog. I am attempting to extract the real information and details from the postings that have been made by the wonderfully vibrant and exotic collection of people who are interested in the potential of the circuit.
An interesting thing is happening with this circuit there is no doubt about it. With a very low powered setup it is possible to achieve highly efficient energy conversion. This should not really be an issue as nature has set the standard for energy efficiency and we are still very far away from achieving similar results. If you look at the ratings of the various methods of converting energy into useful forms for human use you will see abysmally low results. No one is claiming over unity with this circuit. The second law of physics is not being transgressed. What we are seeing is simply a highly efficient method of converting the power in water molecules into enough force to move a piston. Early results indicate upwards of 160psi is possible with this circuit.
Another point of interest is that some people are discussing or alluding to the similarities between the circuit results and Lightning. The exact processes involved in creating Lightning are not fully understood by the most advanced scientists even in the year 2008. We may be witnessing a profound alteration to our understanding of the processes involved and this is a significant milestone if we have reached that point. Who would have thought it would be possible to run a car on Lightning?
Pretty powerful stuff. Here capacitor70 demonstrates an engine and the circuit that is runs on.
Here’s a good demo of gotolucs circuit posted by smw1998a.
This is a proof of concept demonstrating a rotor being kicked over by a water spark.
This is a demo of a water spark being used to move a physical object.
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